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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:23 pm 
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It's really how I feel, but I just don't know if it's too controversial.

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Well, there's no question you'll get a lot of pissed off comments. Just remember, after the 2nd or 3rd generation, all immigrant families wind up thoroughly immersed in our culture. Usually by the second generation, they no longer speak their original language in their own homes.

*Every* generation complains about the immigrants, and they always say the same exact things, whether it's 1811 or 2011.

Also, every time the economy goes south, the immigrants take the brunt of the blame.

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Rome's ability to assimilate newcomers is so well-established that it's easy to lose sight of. And it has been overshadowed, in the history books as well as in movies, by episodes of invasion and mayhem in the final centuries, when the empire's domestic health was already gravely compromised.

But the expansion of the empire to include tens of millions of non-Romans -- and then the absorption through immigration of many millions more -- was a bigger phenomenon still. Military service integrated some, but Romanization occurred without the help of other tools that Americans take for granted, such as public schools, mass communications, Madison Avenue or even a single language. (The strivers and elites spoke Latin and Greek, but the empire was polyglot.)

It took place because Roman civilization turned out to be a good deal.
The historian Tacitus rather cynically recognized its power, observing that what Rome's subjects called "culture" was in fact what kept them in line.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/16 ... e-murphy16


Few of their children in the country learn English ... The signs in our streets have inscriptions in both languages ... Unless the stream of their importation could be turned they will soon so outnumber us that all the advantages we have will not be able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious.
-Benjamin Franklin, 1750's


We should build a wall of brass around the country.
- John Jay, first chief justice of Supreme Court, regarding “Catholic alien invaders,” 1750s


Now, what do we find in all our large cities? Entire sections containing a population incapable of understanding our institutions, with no comprehension of our national ideals, and for the most part incapable of speaking the English language. Foreign language information service gives evidence that many southern Europeans resent as an unjust discrimination the quota laws and represent America as showing race hatred and unmindful of its mission to the world. The reverse is true. America’s first duty is to those already within her own shores.
- Representative Grant Hudson, 1924


http://news.change.org/stories/10-histo ... d-familiar

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:31 pm 
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Um, in my opinion you NEED to put it up. I know that's easier for me to say than for you to do, but really, you should put it up.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:33 pm 
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Expect to get savaged for it in the comments.

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Coyote, you certainly gave me a lot of food for thought.

The thing is, I'm not saying they're ruining the economy, nor am I blaming them for the state of the economy--I'm saying that they're getting many jobs that we should be getting first. I'm saying that our population has already reached such a number that we probably shouldn't be letting many outsiders in.

And really--what you showed brings up that it has always been a concern in this country. There is a point in which something major will happen, a tipping point so-to-speak, that will change the way we handle immigration. It hasn't happened yet, and it may be years away from happening--or it could be soon.

I'm going to have to think about this for a bit. I still have the script for that video and I could always modify it to include much of what you've said in this post--if I feel I need to.....

Yeah, I need to give this some thought before posting that video or a new video on the subject...

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Population Density Map

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We are at the third lowest population density level, 25-50 people/km^2. We are not in any way overpopulated in North America, compared to what it could sustain. And certainly not compared to the density of China, and nobody accuses them of being unsuccessful lately.

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Even our population growth rate is less than 1%. And this map is corrected for immigration (and emigration).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation


In short, immigration is not responsible for our unemployment rate nor is it causing kids to go hungry and homeless in America. Nope, that is entirely our fault, the American citizens, for letting things get to this point. Immigration is what made this country great (unless you ask an Indian).

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Efren Cruz has lived in Alabama for 23 years having come here when he was 14 from Mexico. He speaks fluent English with a rich southern drawl. Since HB56 came into effect he has been sacked by four different steel and paper mills where he has worked on and off for years. Now he's jobless.

But he's not taking it supinely. He laughs at the suggestion that the new law is designed to stop illegal Mexicans taking jobs away from worthy and needy local Alabamans. "We aren't taking anybody's jobs because, let's face it, they don't want to work. We do the jobs that nobody else wants to do."

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Across the state this week, poultry and meat processing plants, including the giant Tyson, have been closed or put on limited production schedules because of an unofficial walkout by Hispanic workers. In the north of the state, the pungent smell of rotting tomatoes hangs in the air across huge tranches of land that has been virtually abandoned by workers who, through fear or anger, are no longer turning up to gather the harvest.

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In the meantime, though, Isobel Gomez remains trapped inside her prison cell apartment. The only thing keeping her here, she says, is her daughters, who want to stay and make a life for themselves in America as countless millions of immigrant Americans have done before them.

"Every day I ask myself the question: how much longer can I survive this? How much longer can I bear sitting at home, unable to leave the house? How much longer can I stand the humiliation of knowing that I'm seen by others as a bad person, as a criminal? If it were down to me, I'd have had enough already."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oc ... es-trapped

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Ok, good points you have made. I'll have to stew about that for a while.....

You're not going to change my stance on illegal immigration. And I know it's hard to become a legal citizen, but it shouldn't be easy, granted it could be easier than it currently is, it is quite a costly process. But I don't think people who just want to come here should be able to just walk in and get all the same benefits that legal citizens get.

Some people believe in the extreme of basically open borders, and I couldn't disagree with that more.

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Just remember, after the 2nd or 3rd generation, all immigrant families wind up thoroughly immersed in our culture. Usually by the second generation, they no longer speak their original language in their own homes.


I'm really not sure I believe that. Language, sure, it becomes necessary to know the language, but culture and customs and beliefs--those take quite a while to change, if they change at all. And now that the magic word "multiculturalism" is being presented as wonderful, it means people don't feel they have to adapt to the native/existing culture, and this is a more recent phenomenon. Before it was all about being a melting pot, now it's about multiculturalism, and the two concepts are quite different from each other.

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You can't have two cultures in close contact without one affecting the other, or both. If people think they can live here without adapting to the dominant culture, they're deluding themselves, and their kids will probably think they're nuts.

There is no way American culture will be subsumed by any immigrant culture. We are culture exporters. In all history, when a culture is subsumed by an immigrant culture, it is always because the immigrants have better technology. Whether or not it's created, designed, or produced in this country, we *do* have the best technology on the planet. For now, anyway.

Also, the reason Roman culture was so widespread was not just because the Romans won so many battles. In many ways, Rome's culture was superior. People wanted to belong to it.

Unless you feel that our culture is inferior in some way, we have absolutely nothing to fear.

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and LOL at the title! I just noticed :lol:

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