Wrong. There is zero evidence of God's existence, and considerable evidence he doesn't exist. 99% of the religions and their descriptions of God defy all natural laws and science. They are often entirely illlogical, and they have no evidence for them. Insofar as the latter is concered, the absence of evidence is itself evidence of absence: just not proof. I don't even need to prove God doesn't exist. You need to show he does exist. The burden of proof is on you, not the skeptic.

I don't need to prove something doesn't exist, but that argument's only trotted out when it comes to God. Let's apply it to someting else. You cannot disprove the idea that Bob doesn't have a magic friend only visible to him, who lives in a boot. When you put your foot in the boot them, you don't feel him. You also can't see him or detect himin any way, shape, or form. It woudl be ludicrous to claim: "Well, I cannot absolutely 100% prove that Bob's magic friend isn't living inside my boot, I guess it's ok to believe it anyway!"

Y ou also can't disprove the notion that you are being anally raped right now by metaphysical faeries. It would be preposterious to believe it, though, or seriously contend that it exists. The lack of evidence serves of evidence of absence and fits in nicely with Occam's Razor.




Nonsense. Argumentum ad Populum Fallacy. The number of people believing something has no bearig on the truth-value of the statement. According to your logic, if the majority of Americans do not believe in Evolution, then evolution must be false or creationism true. In fact, most Americans do not believe in Evoltuion and do believe in Creationism. I guess evolution's lolz amirite?



Sophistry! Something either exists or it doesn't. There is no "exists for you, but not for me." This isn't the matrix, and you ain't Morpheus. Go peddle the post-modern pseudophilosophy somewhere else.

There are thousands of people who honestly believe that they are talking to people who, according to all psychiatric research, are imaginary. They are delusional. Fundametnalists and people who think they have a personal relationship with a being living in the clouds are no less delusional. God is a delusion, just one that is accepted.



I don't give a shit about changing anyone's mind. The people I debate are long gone and cannot be helped. It's just cathartic to mercillessly atatck them, making them look like idiots. It's my sport and hobby, kinda like how rich people play polo. I wack idiots.





Not really. The majority of people are morons. Over 50% of the population believes in a literal understanding of the Bible and denies evolution. That much is clear. Again, the number of people who believe something doesn't imply correctness. I am fully capable of claiming that you are delusional if you claim you talk to a guy living in the sky no one can see, test. That's called crazy. In fact, Fundies fit the label for schizophrenics almost to the letter. They hold on to discredited, unsupported believes despite contrary or lack of evidence and do not change.



I guess you also think it's delusional to think you are so intelligent to KNOW that smurfs aren't blowing you right now, too, eh? There's what? a .00000000000000000000000001% chance they might, so I guess you gotta suspend judgement eh? Oh wait...I got a better one. It's delusional to believe that if you drop a ball, it won't suddenly fly up and sprout wings. It's fully possible, if you consider magic a real option.

Or maybe our president is really from the Planet Xypax and has drugged the entire population with a mind-altering agent that makes him only look human! It's possible! lolz lolz! The possibilites that extent from your logic are endless.

God is no different.



Wrong. I don't need to prove something does not exist, nor is it logically possible anyway. To ask someone to do that is to comitt a fallacy of reasoning. I can, however, supply strong evidence and reasoning not to believe. If we took your logic seriously, since we cannot absolutely, 100% "conclusively" prove or disprove anything (since one can always appeal to magic or some absurd bullshit about metaphysics), we cannot claim to have knowledge of anything. Clearly, that's absurd.


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Bullshit. It's specifically stated in the 1964 civil rights law that businsses open to the public, including hotels and accommodations, are disallowed from discriminating on the basis of race. If we can do it for that reason, there's no reason we cannot do it for gender/sexuality. Business ought not be able to deny people critical resources, such as jobs, healthcare, accommodations based on irrelevant criteria. In the 50s, blac people weren't allowed to drink from the same fucking water fountains in restaurants. The law now prevents that Libertopian bullshit.



They shouldn't even know you don't believe in their religion in the first place, nor does "believing" the religion mean you will not be able to ring up a purchase effectively. Again, if someone's religion stated that black people were evil, he could use the same reasoning to deny black people work tbased on his religion's commands.




WHy should a business owner be forced to give accommodations to cripples? Why should he be forced to allow blacks, mexicans in his restaurant? Why should they not be allowed to just ban any minority they don't personally like? Oops, because it's illegal. That's why. And wrong.

Who gives a fuck about what principles this country was founded on 200+ years ago? This country's principles fully allowed slavery when it was first created and was founded by racist white men who whipped slaves and forced women into property status or allowed people to starve on the streets in the name of "liberty." The old principles were pure shit in the first place. Libertarianism is retarded. Y ou need to stop worshiping the Founding Fathers.




Fuck the free market God and your alter of captialism.





It's illogical to discriminate against patrons, yet they did it all the time until it was outlawed. Amazing. It's only rational to discriminate against people whom you hire if there's a real threat. There's no more threat to atheists working at your book store than there would be if all black people were deemd "a threat" by someone else, and thus banned from work. Yet banning people based on race is also illegal, asshole. Unless you can show concrete evidence they are some threat, they lack the requisite skills, stfu. Anyone can use vague wishy-washy bullshit criteria, but change the target:

OOPS, mexicans are a threat to mai business, can't hire! Blacks are a threatzorz to mai business, can't hire! OOps, that's illegal. But if you want to ban gay people or atheists, that's A-ok!



Bullshit. The atheist doesn't lack any of the key skills involved in selling, checking out, filing books. The job description has nothing to do with promoting or arguing against Christianity. If the job is a cashier at a Christian book store, your logic allows employers also to ban gays from employment, just because of religious bigotry. If the religion says gays have a "lifestyle" that's bad according to their fantasy religion, then they can just go "nope!" just as a racist can go "nope!" if he thinks black people will hurt his business. No difference.

Customers don't fucking know what the cashier believes. I don't ask the god damn cashier about his motherfucking personal life when I buy a book, and no one else does either. It will only reduce sales if you can show it does that when atheists are hired, but alas, you have no statistical evidence of that. Furthermore, one could just employ that arguement as above: with racial minorities. Anyone can claim : "I wont hire blacks because their lifestyle goes against my values and it will hurt my business!" for a cashier job.

You don't need to believe anything to sell if. If that were the case, than you haven't seen infomercials lately. Now, if they can show that they actually lose business or that atheists hired attack, harrass customers, or push atheism on customers, then and only then would they have any basis for their claims. You can't just claim they harm your business and pull evidence out of your ass, kid. Again, let's play that game with gays and women. "I won't hire women, because they will hurt my business by being female."

You provide no evidence for this claim.


I know lots about Christianity. The problem is that I don't peddle the santizied bulshit you were fed by your parents or preacher.

So basically, you get rid of all my argument that refutes his points because it's "mean" yet leave his bullshit. Thanks. That makes it look like I didn't address it.

I wasn't spouting hate. I was stating facts. His argument is fucking bullshit, and I am tired of bullshit market wank libertopian christo retardation.

You're creating a strawman by making it so you HAVE to disprove religion FIRST before you can make your argument. Try arguing this WITHOUT trying to disprove religion. The discussion isn't about whether religion is valid or not.

The stone throwing thing is pretty rare-but them holding up signs saying "sinful" and such--yes, that happens. You DON'T see atheists holding up hateful signs at Christian gatherings--why? Because they know it would just cause anger. The posts you have made here on this subject seem to be that of a similar thing--it seems you don't care whether you're understood, you just want to make it clear that you're upset about the situation. If you really cared about being understood, you'd discuss it in a manner that people from the opposite side can absorb. You did nothing of the such.