http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1-eBz8hyoE

This lady brings up some REAL interesting points that I think need be answered. Where do you stand? Is Healthcare a right?

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Yes, to me, healthcare is a right. No ifs ands or buts about it.

She's speaking gibberish when it comes to what she's saying--she's one of those looneys who equates taxes with slavery--and that's her entire justification. Taxes are not slavery. She doesn't seem to know what slavery even is.

I don't want to live in her political utopia where everything is privatized. No thanks, no way.

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I also thought that the slavery bit was too over the top. But at what point is supporting others too much to be fair? Hypothetically, with your "no ifs and or buts" viewpoint, is taking home 25 cents from every dollar you earn acceptable? Certainly there is a point where you begin to encroach on others "inalienable rights", no?

I think this quote is food for thought:

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Obviously an Ayn Rand fan.

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Of course there's a point. As compared to right now where to get good health coverage, people are often paying upwards of $500 a month--at what point does it begin to encroach on others "inalienable rights"?

What we ended up with was a shitty bill that ends up giving a guaranteed revenue stream for insurance companies. We didn't end up getting government insurance.

If you're talking about welfare, imagine what things would be like without any government help. People dying in the streets, crime skyrocketing--some people don't know how to help themselves, and if we ignore those people, it will come back to us by a tenfold in criminal activity. To deny this is tragic.



There's a big difference between telling someone that they have to give everything they work for to someone else, and making people pay their fair percentage.

As I said, some people have no skills, some people are lucky to exist without turning to crime. If we remove those people's avenues to exist, many, if not most WILL turn to whatever means they can find to be able to exist, and it's pretty easy to become a criminal.

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That's not something one would easily gather from "no ifs ands or buts", hence; a hypothetical.




Healthcare certainly is broken. That doesn't have anything to do with the point of how much I should pay for someone else to have healthcare.



Talk to your elected official, that's his problem, especially considering the overwhelming power the Dems have.



I was not talking about welfare, although that needs a SERIOUS overhaul.



Nowhere in the quote did it talk about giving "everything they work for", and to be frank, this is a common problem I run into with Liberals. I'm shocked how often a point is changed into something it never was, and then that delusional point is what is argued. I think the quote addresses a valid concern. You cannot give to someone without taking from someone else. This will always cause issue, because who should decide, as you put, "their fair percentage"? It's sticky.

BTW , I have no idea who Ayn Rand is.

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I believe in a flat tax system, no loopholes. Everyone pays the same percentage.

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I don't think you want that. If the top tier is paying 49% and we still need to find excuses to raise money via new and increased taxes, where does it stop? With your plan, if you make 10 bucks an hour, you make 5. Flat tax = fail, as far as my understanding goes. A guy making 8 bucks an hour can't afford to make only 4. We have to save that for the guy making 300,000. After all, HE can afford it.

Besides, it's a nice incentive to go build the American Dream and do your best. The better you do, the less you get to see. Incentive, I say! Incentive to not be dependent on our government. Oh, wait, that's not what happens.

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Remember, I said with no loopholes. We don't need to use 49% as an example when a smaller percentage like 15% would probably suffice--provided there are no loopholes, no false ways of getting out of paying taxes.

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I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that people paying 40% now would suddenly be paying less? Like 15%?

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